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Simon Fisher Turner / Espen J. Jörgensen

Soundescapes interview








Simon Fisher Turner / Espen J. Jörgensen

Collaborative Rebellion

Anyone who sees fit to decry social media as banal and ultimately pointless would do well to look at the way such platforms have brought artists into closer proximity to one another, fusing new collaborations that just a few years previously would have never ever have taken place, cross-pollinating scenes that would have only existed in specific communities in specific cities, and bringing together people who may never have imagined working together before. Soundescapes, the new collaboration between musician, composer and one-time pop star Simon Fisher Turner and documentary film-maker Espen J. Jörgensen is a case in point. 'I really liked what he did with the Nadja soundtrack, and told him so when I found him by accident on MySpace,' is how Jörgensen, someone who describes himself as being generally disinterested in music, explains the genesis of the Soundescapes project. It may have been more logical to imagine Turner providing a typically idiosyncratic score for a future Jörgensen film project, but instead the result is CD album which will be released by Mute on 21 November 2011.

'I knew nothing about this man,' confirms Turner of this chance encounter. 'Not who he was nor what he did. I know now of course, and those recordings he started to send me make sense now.' The recordings that Turner mentions were the waves of sounds that Jörgensen began sending Turner over the next two to three years. 'He records stuff. I've no idea what really, or how. Sometimes it would be instruments and then another set of files would arrive and it would be stuff he'd recorded on a bus with a broken dictaphone.'

'There's a lot of circuit bent instruments in there, various synths, drops of water, fireworks, oscillators, theremins and bedtalk in Japanese,' says Jörgensen of the sources of sounds he began sending to Turner, and which will no doubt appear in deeply processed from within the Soundescapes tracks. 'His recordings seem very random,' continues Turner, 'and I like the way he just gets stuff, because he doesn't have to think about what's going to happen to the sounds he's collecting, because it's not his problem. I think we're both rebels.'

Circuit bent Speak & Read. Image (c) Espen J. Jörgensen

Turner's role in the collaboration would be primarily as editor, taking sounds which may have been individually interesting but detached from context, and creating new structures from those sources. 'In a way he's a fantastic collaborator because he's the shopper and I'm the cook,' is the way he explains the set-up. 'He has no idea really how I make it up at my end, so we're both in the blue really as to what the other is doing.' Turner would process the sounds, then send his manipulations back to Jörgensen. 'I'm basically doing my thing - sound - and Simon's treating the sound - editing, recomposing and mixing it all together,' adds Jörgensen. 'I never do stuff and say “this is for that song”, so Simon gets tons of bits, like a jigsaw puzzle, and he makes a collage out of those bits - basically creating his own thing. I think one of the unique things about Simon's work is that he has this unique way of mixing it all together. Only fragments of the stuff I recorded and sent to Simon was used. If he used it all, our first release would be a box with 30 discs in it, maybe more. Instead it's all crammed onto a 40-minute disc.' Turner's sound contribution was itself minimal, contributing the sound of sheep grazing in a French field and a snatch of two Japanese friends talking.

'I wouldn't send Espen anything until it was at least somewhere,' says Turner. 'I tended to keep the work close to my chest until I felt there was something worth sending. Long periods of silence from me I'm afraid. Because he doesn't know how I make stuff it's difficult for him to judge things, I think. He asked me once to remove something and I couldn't. He didn't understand why not. It's mainly because everything I make is always floating. Nothing is a mix. Everything is a rough mix so I never actually record a mix and work on it. Instead I record 'passes', and edit those. I don't keep masters. It's impossible for me to make a final mix. I'm not interested in this.' To reinforce this idea of Turner's works being perpetually incomplete, and the notion of what's being heard by the listener as a 'work in progress' of sorts, a couple of weeks after this interview I asked Turner about his music for the short Channel 4 film, Double Lesson, which aired in the summer of 2011; he told me he was still working on it, in spite of it having presumably been sent to the director and actually added to the soundtrack.

'I only commented on two songs,' confirms Jörgensen of his harmonious working relationship for what became Soundescapes. 'Our only agreement was that I was supposed to feed Simon with sounds, and that he would treat them the way he wanted and I wouldn't comment. I don't need or want to comment either, but I did comment on two songs which were 'Soundescape' and 'Tristfull'. I had Simon remove some vocals I did on 'Soundescape', and after I heard 'Tristfull' I simply said “fade up rain” - Simon had a recording of a great rainshower in France somewhere, which made the track work better, I think.'

'The thing I like is that I didn't actually play anything on this project,' explains Turner of the appeal of this pairing. 'Espen played and recorded one hundred percent of what you hear. I just (re)arranged it and treated it. It's very pure in fact. Very innocently edited, but heavily edited. I resisted the urge to sample and play. That wasn't in the game.'

'I tended to make long pieces then use fractions of small sections,' says Turner of his working methods. 'I'm a busy editor. I love doing this: snip, snip, stretch, lubricate.' The results were frequently worlds away from their original sound sources. 'At times I listen to the stuff I get sent from Simon, and say “what is that?” Sometimes I can't remember recording the things at all,' is how Jörgensen sums it up.

Like the eternal game in Iain Banks' Walking On Glass, the project evolved, slowly, over two to three years, with some pieces taking most of that time to develop into the 'final' versions available on Soundescapes. Early on Turner suggested that the pieces be used as backing tracks for another project, but Jörgensen resisted. Nevertheless, the idea of someone attempting to sing over these complex tracks remains an interesting unrealised possibility.

With this type of ongoing, extended interplay between two very different artists, I commented that it must be difficult to know when it's actually finished. 'On Soundescapes I think I was the one to say stop, go or “more please”' says Turner in response. 'Or usually “enough”. I had to ask him to stop sending me files. It finished when I couldn't think of anything else to make it do.'

What's continually surprising is that despite this album coming together over an extended period, Jörgensen and Turner have never met, nor have they even spoken to one another, and neither do they intend or even want to. Everything was undertaken at a distance, files passing back and forth via the likes of Dropbox. Even agreeing the artwork for Soundescapes was undertaken by email with Mute in-house designer Paul A. Taylor. 'Perhaps we could tour and only meet on stage,' muses Turner. 'Separate lives, only communicating by email. No conversations. No actual physical contact.' That this project has any sort of internal coherence arises primarily from a sense of trust between the two collaborators, and a sense of knowing precisely what each others' role actually was. All thanks to MySpace, fast becoming a burning platform among the proliferation of social networks, wherein such 'relationships' between people who feel no need to physically engage are frequently commonplace.

Soundescapes sees Simon Fisher Turner reunited with Mute, for whom he hasn't released an album since 2005's Lana Lara Lata. Turner's return to the label, even if just for this release, feels like a restoration of the classic Mute roster that seemed to slowly fall away in the EMI years, particularly given that The Grey Area seems to have swung back to life with releases from Can and Cabaret Voltaire in November 2011. 'I'm very grateful and happy Daniel [Miller] wanted to put out these recordings, ' says Turner. 'He was the first person I gave tapes of it to. I did also send it around to a dozen companies as well, who I'm glad to say firmly rejected it on the grounds mainly that it seems a bit raw and untamed.' Soundescapes would certainly appear to be just about the most out-and-out experimental release that the newly-independent Mute have put out so far.

Rumours started to circulate on Twitter a few months back that a Soundescapes 2 might be in the offing, despite, at the time of writing, the current volume not yet having received an official release. 'That's Simon's fault, partly mine, since I've started feeding him sounds again,' explains Jörgensen. 'I've started new folders which just get stuff dumped into from time to time,' confirms Turner, making a sequel at least even more theoretically possible. 'I asked Espen to stop again over the half term, because I didn't have time to listen to them or even open my Dropbox, which I've just noticed is full again.'

'Nothing's official,' continues Jörgensen. 'Follow ups and sequels are seldom any good. It would certainly be a challenge if we did it. But, if we feel that it's right and worthy then I think and hope we'll do it. Right now I think we need to finish various projects at both ends. I'm in the middle of my next documentary, as well as a project with Andrew Blick of Gyratory System. Simon's got a thousand of them. Luckily he works faster than me.'

(c) 2011 MJA Smith / Documentary Evidence